speedy sie Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) on it over the next few days ill post a detailed how to on a srad quick snifter for under a £10!!! Edited April 9, 2012 by speedy sie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 If you can transfer your skills to the design of a quick shifter for the R1 I'd be most grateful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy sie Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 when you see the set up you will laugh but it works!!..on any bike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuntman Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 keeping a little pressure on the gear selector? when you hit the limiter it changes up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erskimo Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 i agree Mr Stuntman . . . . . . . unless its a YZF 750 went through 2 in a afternoon, ive been playing with sidestand cutout switches there cheap & do a good job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toosmooth Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 The tension is killing me. As a bloke who is just about to launch a shifter at an SRAD I thought this was worth watching - that was days ago. I'm now however preparing to be underwhelmed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy sie Posted April 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 ill be on it tomorrow as i know have the parts to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toosmooth Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 I look forward to the post. And whilst we're on the shifting quickly subject, If I go the conventional route with mine (likely) would it actually need an ignition module for the dynojet shifter? I know I can plug straight into the PC3 and I am told this would work (it would cut the injectors, not the ignition, but as the SRAD only has the 4 injectors, I have been led to believe it could work....) whaddya reckon speedie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toosmooth Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Is this the old side stand cut out switch QS? that's where the smart money is going MM. Sie does like a big entrance though, so shhhh, let's make him think we don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregorious77 Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Quick shifter, slow thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazdude Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 tic tok tic tok! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy sie Posted April 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 arrr have the parts but im back in at work to day and more than likely satuerday as-well..but ill get on to it chaps...might evrn call iot the slow shifter .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregorious77 Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 why dont you just draw a picture or type an explanation? For example, wire a micro switch into the side stand switch the just touches the gear selector. when the selector is pushed/loaded the micro switch cuts the ignition and the gear will slot in. done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spannerman Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 why dont you just draw a picture or type an explanation? For example, wire a micro switch into the side stand switch the just touches the gear selector. when the selector is pushed/loaded the micro switch cuts the ignition and the gear will slot in. done! cos if he did that the thread would just end and not just fizzle out into nothing like all the other ones he has on the go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp5 Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 cos if he did that the thread would just end and not just fizzle out into nothing like all the other ones he has on the go. Yep, c'mon, there's a potential further 44 pages to come!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matbmx100 Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Theres a guy on trackdayriders forum thats done this in the projects link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IforB Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Oh for fucks sake... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy sie Posted April 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) right chaps here it is.... sorry only two pic as i carnt get the camera to do a close up.. need 1, piece of material to make the bracket(here a piece of pre preg carbon) 2,mini switch(the one i used has the roller on the end as not to snag on) 3,spacer for the plate that holds the switch bracket(i used the spacer off a rectifier off a srad) 4,2 x m4 to the length of 15mm to hold the switch 5,1 x m6 to the length of 40mm and two washer to lock the bracket up)# and 1/2hr to do it,this is for a race bike,but you could Incorporate to any bike. this is all for a zx7r but you can just alter the length of the m6 and the spacer. the pic shows the set up,the idea of only one bolt to hold the plate that has the micro switch on it once all together and in place you can rotate the micro switch till the right amount of contact is made on the switch to send the out put to the ecu/cdi. any question then please post up. hope this help and sorry for the delay,will do the wiring next week. Edited April 15, 2012 by speedy sie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Didn't the mag try out a quick-shifter a while back and find that, for the average person not used to one it saved little, if any, time in an average lap of an average circuit? If this set-up needs loads of extra gubbins and careful setting up, would it not be better for the cash strapped track day rider/club racer to spend the time/money invested in it on a.n.other area of the bike (like, say, BST wheels or aa gym membership)? For the higher up racer/rich track-dayer I guess they'll just buy a specialist set-up off the shelf anyway so it seems to be a lot of time and effort for very little reward. Of course that may not matter if you really want one - not many people need an S1000RR with full Akra system, 190+bhp at the wheel and the BMW quickshifter system, especially when they stick with road riding, but I bet a fair few purchasers have the full monty..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdunc Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 If you've never ridden a bike with a pucka quickshifter Dave, I can recomend it. A properly set-up quickshifter is undoubtedly quicker round a lap, but we are only talking 10ths of second here, but the enjoyment of wazzing through the gears on a wide open throttle is worth far more. I'm not sure how well Sie's set up will work, a proper quickshifter, uses the micro switch/strainguage to send a signal to a control box which controls the ingnition cut, the duration of the cut is fixed, regartless of how long your foot is resting on the lever. Set-ups I've used alter the ignition timing as well as cutting the spark. Analysis shows that how you feed the igniton advance back in after the cut is critical to how well the vehicle retains it's momentum, and is more effective thana simple on/off ignition cut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy sie Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) only coping wot the xro bikes had back in the late 90's good for them good for me,ill go in to the set up once the engine is in,will be fitting a relay to give 50ms to 100ms of rang once the contact is made and ill then use the stand switch kill as iv been told this will be ok?? Edited April 16, 2012 by speedy sie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxr renegade Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 The only thing I’d be worried about (assuming this set up utilises the side-stand cutout switch) if you get the length of the cut-out wrong, would you risk completely stalling the engine at all? Or is the length of the cut out so short that stalling isn’t an issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy sie Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) update ,the switch was on the wrong way to get the right input,now gone this way as to get it right. the contact off the micro switch will send an in-pules to a relay that will send on a 50ms to 100ms signal to the cdi/ecu just like a proper quick shifter,well this is the plane Edited April 16, 2012 by speedy sie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomfoolery Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 How do you limit the length of the signal if it's just a micro switch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernster Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Unsure if it's fuel injected or not but is fuel not still being injected? Didn't the Buildbase BWM race team have an issue with a 'custom' system that ended up destroying a couple of valves as the fuel was being "stock-piled" and then being ignited when the ignition was re-invoked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy sie Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 as iv How do you limit the length of the signal if it's just a micro switch? the signal of the micro switch will be sent to a timed relay to then send on the input to the cdi/ceu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy sie Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Unsure if it's fuel injected or not but is fuel not still being injected? Didn't the Buildbase BWM race team have an issue with a 'custom' system that ended up destroying a couple of valves as the fuel was being "stock-piled" and then being ignited when the ignition was re-invoked? ill will have to think about this the zx7r ic old skool,but the srad is fool injected,so may be easier,im going to talk to some one about the set up on both systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty_zac Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Something I dont understand here, you say any bike but if the ignition is cut then switched back on with a modern bike , wont it going through its priming the fuel and moving the exhaust valves etc, like it does if you hit the kill switch? And with the above on a carbed bike, wouldnt you get a backfire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomfoolery Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 You do with most pucker quickshifters if I'm hearing what I'm thinking I'm hearing. The Monster doesn't have a side stand cut out, just a warning light. D'oh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy sie Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 quick test would be to get the bike on the rear paddock stand and then have some rev the bike ,as you push the stand switch in and see if the bike is ok with it,i was told some time ago about eh wsb srad'a using the stand switch as a quick shifter and i just thought i would try it out,if any knows if it had been done before then please post a link,as im no expert in ecu/cdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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