Typical power for a Gen2 Tuono?

[Mills94]

Hi there,

I've long been a reader of performance bikes, but only in the last few months discovered the forum. I own a fairly late (09) gen 2 Aprilia  Tuono. I had it 'tuned'  at the back end of last summer, in which the stock run made along the lines of 115bhp. The modified run made 118 bhp. Both seem a bit low considering it has twin akrapovics and a pipercross air filter, I thought these were touching around 128bhp out of the box? Or am I being a touch hopeful.

[426hemi]

My gen1 rsv with system, modded airbox and 57mm throttle bodies with pc3usb made 124bhp, the dyno figures can move around as well depending on conditions on the day and who’s dyno you use.

[Bram43]

I got 128bhp out of one of mine with the airbox mod and a full system, but screw that. 

You want the 1127 big bore kit 

Edited April 4, 2020 by Bram43

[426hemi]

The last few years mines had the 1103 kit with Kent cams, 57’s, mss airbox and the intake cleaned up, it’s 148 at the moment with 88 lb/ft of torque..

[simonb]

Yep seems a bit low,my gen1 Mille with 60mm Akra,open airbox and bigger air boot thingy with eprom to suit made 124 and 81 ish talk talks.

Really need to get it done again now i have the modded collector and fr200 fitted to see what difference it is in numbers.

Strange though that my Gen1 Tuono feels a lot stronger with just a 65mm Arrow and matching eprom.

[jollygiant]

What you need is one of these!!!

127bhp on a Gen 1, these give about 7bhpgain and iron out the hole in the midrange...


Also do them for the Gen2. Linky dinky dooo I'm about to do a special with the new velocity stacks as in main pic for £250.00, posted to you!!

 

[Mills94]

Cheers for all the replies! I thought mine seemed a bit on the low side 😑😁- ignore the smiley emoji can't get the b*stard  out of my reply! Is there anywhere trusted   in the North West that people would recommend for mapping? As much as I would love a bit bore  kit on it or a carbon open airbox i must refrain as I'm part way through signing the death sentence for my first abode of bricks and mortar. I'm also likely to overspend on the bike and sell it and not see the money back 😅

Edited April 4, 2020 by Mills94

[involute]

You may concider switching over to Gen1 ECU etc etc it involves a couple of quite simple engine mods and a gen1 harness also Gabro's eprom, but will get you good gains for little cost

see this link

https://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?242953-Gen2-engine-in-Gen1-frame/page25&highlight=gen2+in+gen1

[chocyboy]

44 minutes ago, Mills94 said:

Cheers for all the replies! I thought mine seemed a bit on the low side 😑😁- ignore the smiley emoji can't get the b*stard  out of my reply! Is there anywhere trusted   in the North West that people would recommend for mapping? As much as I would love a bit bore  kit on it or a carbon open airbox i must refrain as I'm part way through signing the death sentence for my first abode of bricks and mortar. I'm also likely to overspend on the bike and sell it and not see the money back 😅

@Gobert Who is the engine guy you and a few others on here use? He’s based in Widnes isn’t he?

[Gobert]

1 minute ago, chocyboy said:

@Gobert Who is the engine guy you and a few others on here use? He’s based in Widnes isn’t he?

Pete Alton - OTC Racing. Just over the bridge.

[Mills94]

Thanks very much I'll get in touch with him once we're allowed out the house again! Don't get me wrong the bike feels fine.. But a very low mileage model that's been looked after surely couldn't have been nearly 15 brake down with a few half decent bits on too. Will fire across an email actually. Also like the fact it's not hours away.

[simonb]

13 hours ago, Mills94 said:

I had it 'tuned'  at the back end of last summer, in which the stock run made along the lines of 115bhp. The modified run made 118 bhp. Both seem a bit low considering it has twin akrapovics and a pipercross air filter, I thought these were touching around 128bhp out of the box? Or am I being a touch hopeful.

Where did you have it "tuned"? I think you need someone who knows what they are doing/specialises with these really as simple things like throttle body balance and co2 setting correctly can make a real difference but then again if it feels good it could just be a low reading dyno.

The default answer on any Aprilia forum will be to take it to Griff at AP workshop in Tamworth as he really does know his onions when it comes to Aprilias.

 

[Mills94]

16 minutes ago, simonb said:

Where did you have it "tuned"? I think you need someone who knows what they are doing/specialises with these really as simple things like throttle body balance and co2 setting correctly can make a real difference but then again if it feels good it could just be a low reading dyno.

The default answer on any Aprilia forum will be to take it to Griff at AP workshop in Tamworth as he really does know his onions when it comes to Aprilias.

 

Hi Simon, I'm going to no doubt cause pandemonium here but I took it to hilltop. As I'd only found positive feedback on the whole at the time. He did tell me whilst there about treetop  and the situation but didn't take a huge amount of substance from that. Then whilst watching lamb  chops late last night and seeing further comments on here it's got me wondering if I've just been had off for £360. With regards to griff I've only ever had it serviced there and had the balancing done etc so I know it's spot on in that regard. I didn't think he remapped though although I may be wrong

[David W]

115-120 on an honest dyno sounds about right to me. Take it to BSD if you really want your heart broken by a dyno readout 😂

Be in no doubt, Hilltop mugged you.

Edited April 4, 2020 by David W

[Mills94]

So basically I shouldn't expect more from it? If so I wouldn't bother otherwise I'll be throwing good money after bad and gaining sweet F  all from the process. The reason I took it as I said before a s i hadn't seen any negative from it and with it being used by a few bsb teams i took the plunge. My dad took his bike and was very happy with how much smoother it was and wasn't giving him white finger at 70mph but had it removed and got his money back due to chopping the bike in against something else. 

[David W]

To be fair an air filter and some loud cans isn’t really that much ‘tuning’. The air filter will give two lots of nothing and the cans might be worth a few HP. I’m not sure what you were expecting as a difference?

Dyno setup of a stock bike tends to smooth out the torque curve in the middle (holes the manufacturer put in for noise testing).

[simonb]

1 hour ago, Mills94 said:

Hi Simon, I'm going to no doubt cause pandemonium here but I took it to hilltop. As I'd only found positive feedback on the whole at the time. He did tell me whilst there about treetop  and the situation but didn't take a huge amount of substance from that. Then whilst watching lamb  chops late last night and seeing further comments on here it's got me wondering if I've just been had off for £360. With regards to griff I've only ever had it serviced there and had the balancing done etc so I know it's spot on in that regard. I didn't think he remapped though although I may be wrong

In which case i wouldn't worry too much about the numbers,though a trip to a reliable (honest?) dyno operator might be interesting,if it's set up well and feels good then happy days,as i said above i have an 03 Mille with all the recommended mods and a 2002 Tuono that is more or less standard (i presume internaly) so the same big valve engine and the Tuono definitely feels much stronger.

 

Edited April 4, 2020 by simonb

[426hemi]

Pcr performance in Cannock dyno Aprilia performance’s bikes, they have probably done more Aprilia’s than anyone else in the country, they do mine as well.

[Ranger 12]

Wasn't griff at ap getting his own Dyno at one point, not sure what happened ,haven't been on the ap forum for some time. 

[426hemi]

Don’t think he has it yet, there’s a shipping container at the side of his unit but I have never seen it opened yet or any extraction etc.

[Gobert]

@Mills94 one thing to remember is a dyno is only a tool and results vary a lot................unless you run one bike at the same time as another, comparing figures means very little.

[Mills94]

2 hours ago, David W said:

To be fair an air filter and some loud cans isn’t really that much ‘tuning’. The air filter will give two lots of nothing and the cans might be worth a few HP. I’m not sure what you were expecting as a difference?

Dyno setup of a stock bike tends to smooth out the torque curve in the middle (holes the manufacturer put in for noise testing).

I'm sorry but I don't believe I referred to the air filter and 'some loud can's'  as tuning. What I was referring to was the apparent remap of the ecu that I've paid for, which should have 'tuned' the bike to suit the minor modifications that are on it.... I'm not expecting or asking it to be a fire breathing Dragon with some minor mods. The aim of the post was to gauge people's thoughts as to if the figures sound right full stop, i.e even a base model.. So mine should be at least comparable to that of not slightly better. And it just sounds relatively low that's all. 

[Mills94]

1 hour ago, simonb said:

In which case i wouldn't worry too much about the numbers,though a trip to a reliable (honest?) dyno operator might be interesting,if it's set up well and feels good then happy days,as i said above i have an 03 Mille with all the recommended mods and a 2002 Tuono that is more or less standard (i presume internaly) so the same big valve engine and the Tuono definitely feels much stronger.

 

Cheers Simon i appreciate that, I think I may leave it alone and just enjoy riding it, or maybe not get it mapped elsewhere but have a run out of interest to see what the difference in the two say.

[Mills94]

1 hour ago, 426hemi said:

Pcr performance in Cannock dyno Aprilia performance’s bikes, they have probably done more Aprilia’s than anyone else in the country, they do mine as well.

I may give them a call and see what they think, many thanks for that it's handy to know!

[Mills94]

1 hour ago, Gobert said:

@Mills94 one thing to remember is a dyno is only a tool and results vary a lot................unless you run one bike at the same time as another, comparing figures means very little.

Cheers Gobert, I appreciate that fully

[Gobert]

1 minute ago, Mills94 said:

Cheers Simon i appreciate that, I think I may leave it alone and just enjoy riding it, or maybe not get it mapped elsewhere but have a run out of interest to see what the difference in the two say.

Just to let you know OTC's dyno is well known for being a truthful - ie low reading in the real world - one.

[Mills94]

Just now, Gobert said:

Just to let you know OTC's dyno is well known for being a truthful - ie low reading in the real world - one.

I'll give him a ring too, I did have a look at his website earlier in when you suggested him. I just want the bike to be running right and if it's right and optimum at 118 then I'm happy with that, figures aren't a big issue for me but the ones I got from hilltop plus the smoke surrounding if anything meaningful had been done just makes me want to find out if it is running at its optimum 

[Gobert]

2 minutes ago, Mills94 said:

I'll give him a ring too, I did have a look at his website earlier in when you suggested him. I just want the bike to be running right and if it's right and optimum at 118 then I'm happy with that, figures aren't a big issue for me but the ones I got from hilltop plus the smoke surrounding if anything meaningful had been done just makes me want to find out if it is running at its optimum 

The PCR mention was a good one - always nice to deal with specialists plus the have a good rep in general.

 

[Ranger 12]

17 hours ago, Mills94 said:

Hi there,

I've long been a reader of performance bikes, but only in the last few months discovered the forum. I own a fairly late (09) gen 2 Aprilia  Tuono. I had it 'tuned'  at the back end of last summer, in which the stock run made along the lines of 115bhp. The modified run made 118 bhp. Both seem a bit low considering it has twin akrapovics and a pipercross air filter, I thought these were touching around 128bhp out of the box? Or am I being a touch hopeful.

The cheapest mod is to change the sprockets. It can make a dramatic difference to how the bike feels, the prilla is over geared as standard.  There is  lots of info on the net as to the effects of different ratios. Some are a bit extreme depending on what you want. 

With a few mods and sprockets changed, they can be very entertaining and loads of fun. 

[David W]

39 minutes ago, Mills94 said:

I'm sorry but I don't believe I referred to the air filter and 'some loud can's'  as tuning. What I was referring to was the apparent remap of the ecu that I've paid for, which should have 'tuned' the bike to suit the minor modifications that are on it.... I'm not expecting or asking it to be a fire breathing Dragon with some minor mods. The aim of the post was to gauge people's thoughts as to if the figures sound right full stop, i.e even a base model.. So mine should be at least comparable to that of not slightly better. And it just sounds relatively low that's all. 

I don’t think it sounds low. I think it’s about what a 2nd Gen Tuono would expect to put out on a dyno. You’d get different readings out of different dynos though, even on the same dyno at different times of the day. Hope that makes sense.