Ninja & B King Boy Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Got an email back from the two stroke shop down under, and look what they are building for someone, A 1100 TRIPPLE IN A XZ10 FRAME. !! Thanks for writing. As to buying whole RS500GPs, obviously the pricing is dependent on spec. New bikes are priced from £9750 and that's with OEM Aprilia running gear, with forks and rear shock sprung and damped by our GP tech to your weight and riding-scape - although most of the bikes we are currently building for customers have the HRC RS250R front end conversion with 43mm forks, and forged aluminium or magnesium wheels (depending whether road or race bikes) or BST carbon fibre wheels. Rim sizes are typically 3.5" or 3.75" fronts, and 5.5" or 5.75" rears. These chaps are serious about giving it to the ponderous four-stroke crew! Obviously the high-end spec options cost extra. Quite how much extra depends on the spec but to give you an idea, the brand new 43mm HRC fork legs cost around £1200, and you would have a good idea of the price of aftermarket wheels I'm sure. Yes these additions are steep, but by crikey they aren't half worth it. They transform an already gibberingly thrilling bike into a GP machine. But then again a lot of chaps are ordering their RS500GPs @ the base admission price of £9750 and resolving to purchase the HRC upgrade as a kit later on. Naturally the OEM Aprilia running gear can be sold to at least partly offset the price of the new components. A cheaper way to go is to buy a TSS500GP engine kit - details here: http://www.twostrokeshop.com/TSS.htm and build your own engine/install your own engine mounting cradle and so on. or you can go the hybrid way of buying from us a complete plug and play kit with a fully-built engine ready to drop in. The triple-pot motors are HELLISH expensive, like £12000 for the engine/gearbox/clutch. They can be built but the only cases available for them are heavyweight things that are designed around crap unbalanced Banshee drag racing engines, and are built heavy just to stop the cases from vibrating to death. So straightaway you lose the two-stroke's inherent lightweight advantage - too much of a price to pay. Plus, you get a stronger gyro effect from the six crank webs threshing around in there, which makes the bike harder to turn in and lean over. The other problem is packaging of pipes and maintaining ground clearance. We know this because we are actually building for an American client an 1100cc two-stroke triple in a ZX-10R chassis. Of course we tried reasoning with the dude but he was steadfast - he is bored with his Ducati 1098R and wants something with double the torque of an R1, the like of which will be able to hoist the front wheel off the throttle in top gear. We told him the steering would be faster with a 600cc twin but he was not to be moved, chiefly because he lives in the flatlands. Then we did some calculations and figured out that the gyro effect of the 1100cc triple two-stroke's crank is less than that of the R1 - so that after all, the stroker beast would still turn in quicker, and be lighter overall than a stock R1. It's all relative of course. But we are talking big money; the client's budget for the bike is US$55,000. Mind, at the end of it all he will have the world's meanest and lightest sportsbike! But back to more balanced offerings. Man, we are very happy and proud to be able to offer a viable alternative to the current four-stroke litrebike whitewash. It makes us dead happy to see one of our RS500GPs running rings around R1s and the like and to be honest the 'Stuporbikes' are just too heavy and slow to turn in to even be in with a chance. Mind you, it could be said we are cheating, because with a 70kg rider on an RS500GP, the weight of bike and rider is about the same as a fuelled-up R1 on its own. Now that's some serious advantage. The tyres, given they only have to deal with a fraction of the litrebike's side forces, can translate the available grip into higher cornering G-forces, higher corner speeds, and greater lean angles. Simple physics, innit. First thing you notice is that you can brake way later and harder; run unbelievable corner speed and man, there's seemingly inexhaustible reserves of grip and lean angles. To begin with you exalt in being able to ride smoothly clip apexes just-so ... but the RS500 wants to play around a good bit more. It's at its happiest being late-braked; cogged-down and skip-hopping on corner entry; blasted out on exit; lofting front end at the slightest provocation and overall, laughing at the stodgy physics all other bikes have to adhere to. With its low weight and sticky tyres the RS500 boasts phenomenal levels of dynamic performance; manifesting in loony corner speeds, insane lean angles and the ability to pile on the coals in situations where other bikes need to slow down or set up for the next bend. Conversely, you need only sniff at the front brake to haul speed down with such smooth, composed urgency, there's a real risk of losing nearly all your speed! Straightline stability is solid (when front tyre is ground-bound, that is) and turn-in uproariously sharp and go-kart quick. The tiniest steering inputs will put the bike on its ear. On the RS500 you can carve turns far sharper, faster, safer, more predictably and with greater ease than on anything else. Why can't more sportsbikes be this much fun? To be fair though, this really is a race bike with plates. Nothing else can beat it because its intent is so single-minded. You can enjoy riding the RS500 to the level of your ability/experience, true, but the bike's potential is just so awesome and the ease of accessing it so great, inevitably you'll charge off on a fanatical tarmac hobby-horse, feverish with zeal for the next roller-coaster plunge; hurling it at the scenery at unfeasibly ambitious speeds; working the positive camber; defying the negative; wheelie-steering and generally playing the exhibitionist. And well you might, because the RS500 is so ahead of the game, it's just cheating. It has ushered in a new spectrum of road riding - one that is fast and loose, and tons of fun. And what you are buying is a conversion that changes an already fleet machine into something so far ahead of the known riding spectrum, it's a quantum leap beyond what any R1 or R6 could ever hope to attain. And you will be safe in the knowledge that even the 2015 R1 will not be able to keep with your RS500GP around a track or on the road. The big four-strokes are clumsy, heavy, ponderous and because the motors have to be spun up to silly revs in order to wheeze out their Norfolk-flat power delivery, this guarantees you're not having any fun on them at all until well over 100mph. Mathematically it's a cert that if you enjoy these bikes as they were designed to be ridden, you will lose your licence. Whereas with an RS500GP, top revs is only 10,000, and strong power on board from only 6,000 - which means you CAN get your horsepower jollies even at legal road speeds. And nothing else feels, smells, sounds and goes like a GP-bred two-stroke. Have I convinced you yet? ;o) Over to you, many thanks, Steve The Two-Stroke Shop www.twostrokeshop.com 9 Compass Close, Edge Hill Cairns, Queensland 4870 Australia Tel. (In Australia): 0427 774 285 Tel. (Outside Australia): +61 427 774 285 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredie Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 wow insane tripple 1100cc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acid Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 and i want one anyone know the winning lotto numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossm Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I want one some much it actually hurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Right thats it I am selling everthing I own, I will live in a shed.... I want one sooo bad... How much can I get for a kidney these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamB Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 How much for a read legal one then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 How much for a read legal one then? The price is for a road RS250 conversion so it will be road legal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris675 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 would it not be a bit noisy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamo Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 would it not be a bit noisy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredie Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I want one some much it actually hurts u want some . so much . or u want one so much it hurts you can get the 4 cyl model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 So, when I get that winning scratchcard later, the choice is a brand new R1, or one of those. No competition. they want 8k for a motor alone, plus import costs etc etc. sounds like a good plan, spunk prob 10k on 2 stroke engine thats got no history, only run up the road in the bike they've got, no idea on reliablity. You'd be better off buying a vdue thats got a carb conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 they want 8k for a motor alone, plus import costs etc etc. sounds like a good plan, spunk prob 10k on 2 stroke engine thats got no history, only run up the road in the bike they've got, no idea on reliablity. You'd be better off buying a vdue thats got a carb conversion. Hmmm not sure about that matey, I spoke to them recently.... Q...Can you clarify the reliability of the conversion and at what hours I would have to check/replace piston rings etc. Are the barrels Nickosil plated? A...Yes the bores are Nikasil-plated. Ring changes every 10,000km/6,000 road miles and piston change every 20,000km/12,000 miles. Crank runs TZ roller mains so good for 50,000km/30,000 miles. Q...Do you have sufficient spares going forward? Could I purchase a significant number of spares with the engine to ensure its future?. A...The popularity of the TSS500GP engine has seen us recently purchase sufficient components to build 100 engines, and there will be many more to come. Q...What would be the price for a complete engine including RS250 conversion parts to be built by yourselves including the spannies etc. A...You are looking at around £6900 at current exchange rates for everything including pipes, engine cradle/mounts, electronics, everything from air filters to end cans. Plug and play. That's for us building the engine, the lot. We are doing a free engine cradle/offset sprocket with every TSS500GP engine ordered before the end of April though, so that would save you £500 on the deal. Last I heard was to this day, there is not a Vdue that runs right, carb conversion or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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2moto Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 How can they quote service intervals and reliability when they've only just got the engine running? That's a huge amount of money for something essentially unproven. I would make my way over to Stan Stephens, I think. Same base engine, same horsepower, for far less money. Plus, lots of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgtkr1 Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 i have nothing against stan, but there has been some seriously bad rumours of shitty workmanship from s/stevens in recent years, i cant say for sure how bad things are or indeed if theyt are bad but the most recent case came from someone who wouldnt make things up, at least i havent known them to. i have some of stans work from year ago(his hey day) and the quality is 2nd to none. the guy behind tss is a former 500 gp engineer and is world renowned for pipe building/tuning and ignition programming abilities so i dont havbe any doubts about the reliability of theses motors. imo though its a bit long in the tooth the ypvs/banshee based motors although one could say thats testament to the original layout? surely if your gonna cast your own cases then crankcase induction(reeds) or discvalves would be more appealing to those on the hunt fopr max hp? still all very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Hmmm not sure about that matey, I spoke to them recently.... Q...Can you clarify the reliability of the conversion and at what hours I would have to check/replace piston rings etc. Are the barrels Nickosil plated? A...Yes the bores are Nikasil-plated. Ring changes every 10,000km/6,000 road miles and piston change every 20,000km/12,000 miles. Crank runs TZ roller mains so good for 50,000km/30,000 miles. Q...Do you have sufficient spares going forward? Could I purchase a significant number of spares with the engine to ensure its future?. A...The popularity of the TSS500GP engine has seen us recently purchase sufficient components to build 100 engines, and there will be many more to come. Q...What would be the price for a complete engine including RS250 conversion parts to be built by yourselves including the spannies etc. A...You are looking at around £6900 at current exchange rates for everything including pipes, engine cradle/mounts, electronics, everything from air filters to end cans. Plug and play. That's for us building the engine, the lot. We are doing a free engine cradle/offset sprocket with every TSS500GP engine ordered before the end of April though, so that would save you £500 on the deal. Last I heard was to this day, there is not a Vdue that runs right, carb conversion or not. Yeah thats right they've already put 10000miles on an engine haven't they..... erm nope! they've not even run it around a track yet! You should do some research on the v-due.... think you'll find there's plenty of them running great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredie Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Suzuki RG500 RG 500 RS250 Aprilia Hybrid Special!!! Won Performance Bikes Two Stroke Bike of the Year. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...bayphotohosting http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Suzuki-RG500-RG-500-...A1%7C240%3A1318 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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