Dirtmonky Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 So following on from the article in this months mag I am tryimg to find out which four pot brake calipers will fit my 02 Ninja zx636. Ideally I just want a direct replacement for 4 pot Tockicos, but any recognised manufacturer product would suffice. The OEM calipers are 6 pot Tockicos. So much like the mags Gixxers brake improvement I want the same. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kawasaki-ZX6R-ZX-6R-...=item1c0ccf451f This is from an 04, appeares to be four pot and comes from a Ninja, question is does it fit? Do any of the forum alumni know the answer to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will#224 Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Standard 6 potters are non radial The link you've made is for a radial caliper Look at k1/k2/k3 gsxr and more recently bandit and sv1000. Ask the seller about spacing. Are yours 320mm disks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregorious77 Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 I had the same thought when I read that artical and I also ride a ninja but mine is a 99 G2. Dont know the answer though only that they are non radial as has been said already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorenzo Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 In short, they do 2 different bolt spacings on these tokicos, depending on what bike they're off. This goes for both the 4 and 6 pots. What you need to do is measure the distance between your current bolt holes and make sure that the ones you buy have the same spacing. Roughly speaking there's pre 2000 spacing on 90's bikes and ones from about 2001 onwards, although this isn't an especially firm rule. Changing the calipers I think is only half the job. I've done this swap (from 6 to 4 pots) on previous bikes and each time I've found myself with a lever that brings the brakes on like an on/off switch. Get yourself a nice tidy master cylinder off a modern bike that has 4 pots, radial's nice if it fits without hitting your clocks, then you'll have lovely progressive brakes. I've done this on a zx7r and an srad, plus I've sold the 7r set-up to jaycee and he's swapped the 6 pots off his srad for them, and we both came to the same conclusion: top brakes. You want to be looking at bandit 12's, sv1000's, srad 600's, TL's (S's but not R's, I think) basically suzuki, kawasaki and triumph all use a selection of tokicos (triumph brand it as their own, but the only difference is the name on the side), you just need to get the bolts to line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtmonky Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Thanks. Its a starting point at least, and now I know what to look for and measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwakbiker Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Thanks. Its a starting point at least, and now I know what to look for and measure. Well a good clean and new seals makes a massive to the 6 pots(had them on a 6,7 and 9r). 90mm spacing four pots from gixxers fit straight on with little probs or could get some radial brake adaptors, have a look at eastendpetes 7r thread in readers ride(last page has an ebay number) if you want to go that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtmonky Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Well a good clean and new seals makes a massive to the 6 pots(had them on a 6,7 and 9r). 90mm spacing four pots from gixxers fit straight on with little probs or could get some radial brake adaptors, have a look at eastendpetes 7r thread in readers ride(last page has an ebay number) if you want to go that way After riding the bike in anger for the first time (after buying it April 09) I realised the brakes needed some work. Didnt re-seal them but thorough cleaning, new HH pads and bled all the brakes up with lovely new fluid, reaped massive benefits. Its an 8 year old bike now and although its not been neglected time still takes its toll. Effectively I have already done the first step PB mag took in new pads and fluid, and made the same gains. Will come back after reading eastend petes thread ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtmonky Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 After riding the bike in anger for the first time (after buying it April 09) I realised the brakes needed some work. Didnt re-seal them but thorough cleaning, new HH pads and bled all the brakes up with lovely new fluid, reaped massive benefits. Its an 8 year old bike now and although its not been neglected time still takes its toll. Effectively I have already done the first step PB mag took in new pads and fluid, and made the same gains. Will come back after reading eastend petes thread ta Read through Petes threads. Awesome work. looks like the way to go and clearly a fairly well trodden path Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurninman Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 In short, they do 2 different bolt spacings on these tokicos, depending on what bike they're off. This goes for both the 4 and 6 pots. What you need to do is measure the distance between your current bolt holes and make sure that the ones you buy have the same spacing. Roughly speaking there's pre 2000 spacing on 90's bikes and ones from about 2001 onwards, although this isn't an especially firm rule. Changing the calipers I think is only half the job. I've done this swap (from 6 to 4 pots) on previous bikes and each time I've found myself with a lever that brings the brakes on like an on/off switch. Get yourself a nice tidy master cylinder off a modern bike that has 4 pots, radial's nice if it fits without hitting your clocks, then you'll have lovely progressive brakes. I've done this on a zx7r and an srad, plus I've sold the 7r set-up to jaycee and he's swapped the 6 pots off his srad for them, and we both came to the same conclusion: top brakes. You want to be looking at bandit 12's, sv1000's, srad 600's, TL's (S's but not R's, I think) basically suzuki, kawasaki and triumph all use a selection of tokicos (triumph brand it as their own, but the only difference is the name on the side), you just need to get the bolts to line up. TBH, if you have 90mm bolt spacing then IMO you're better off getting 4 pot Nissins I reckon they are better quality - I had a set of 4 pot nissins from a 1989 750 Slingshot in the garage when some thieving little GENTS cut my brake lines and stole the 6 pots off my ZX9. I fitted the 4 pots because I had them handy, and they worked very nicely - certainly not on/off, but then the master cylinder seems to be the same as the one I had on the GSXR.I've since refitted another set of 6 pots because they are more powerful and I happen to have found a good set (like rocking horse shit) I've fitted Tok 4 pots to Jools' ZX6, and while they work, they are not as good as the Nissins that were fitted to 80s/90s Suzukis and seem to need more maintenance. The Triumph calipers are just rebranded Nissins , and are good.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorenzo Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 The 4 pots I had on my ZX7R were actually nissins form a gsxr circa about '90 I think. Maybe it's the master cylinder that you get as stock on 7's, but it felt a bit too difficult to ease the brakes of trailing them into corners on track. For the road the stock master cylinder was fine. The final set-up I ended upon was these nissins and a late ish zx6r m/c, which I then sold kit and kaboodle to jaycee, and he's pretty imprerssed with them too. If I find myself having trouble with these 4 pot tokicos I've just stuck on the srad, then I'll go back to the nissins. I think they're all the same between a selection of bikes; late 80's/early 90's suzuki gsxr's, early bandit 12's and rgv's at least. I thought the triumph ones were rebranded tokicos, not nissins? Do the nissins have a screw in pad pin, the tokicos held on with an R clip? That'd be a way to tell if it was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurninman Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Aye, all the Trumpet 4 pots I've seen have been Nissin with a screw-in pad pins Also .... if fitting Nissin 4 pots (may be different for the Trumpet ones, but they also may have tapped them to Trumpet spec) in place of Tokicos, be aware that the thread pitch for the banjo bolts is different, so you either need to get the banjos with the calipers or buy some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorenzo Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Yup, Tokicos on coarse threads, Nissins on fine. Can't remember about the bleed nipples or master cylinders, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Can't remember where I got this from buts its lurking in my documents for if I ever feel the need to upgrade. 1999 Kawasaki ZR1100C ZRX 2000 Kawasaki ZR1100C ZRX 2001 Kawasaki ZR1200A ZRX1200R 2002 Kawasaki ZR1200A ZRX1200R 2003 Kawasaki ZR1200A ZRX1200R 2004 Kawasaki ZR1200A ZRX1200R 2005 Kawasaki ZR1200A ZRX1200R 2000 Kawasaki ZX1200A Ninja ZX-12R 2001 Kawasaki ZX1200A Ninja ZX-12R 2002 Kawasaki ZX1200B Ninja ZX-12R 2003 Kawasaki ZX1200B Ninja ZX-12R 1998 Kawasaki ZX600G Ninja ZX-6R 1999 Kawasaki ZX600G Ninja ZX-6R 2000 Kawasaki ZX600J Ninja ZX-6R 2001 Kawasaki ZX600J Ninja ZX-6R 2002 Kawasaki ZX600J Ninja ZX-6R 2005 Kawasaki ZX600J ZZ-R (US model) 2006 Kawasaki ZX600J ZZ-R (US model) 2007 Kawasaki ZX600J ZZ-R (US model) 1996 Kawasaki ZX750P Ninja ZX-7R 1997 Kawasaki ZX750P Ninja ZX-7R 1998 Kawasaki ZX750P Ninja ZX-7R 1999 Kawasaki ZX750P Ninja ZX-7R 2000 Kawasaki ZX750P Ninja ZX-7R 2001 Kawasaki ZX750P Ninja ZX-7R 2002 Kawasaki ZX750P Ninja ZX-7R 2003 Kawasaki ZX750P Ninja ZX-7R 1996 Kawasaki ZX900B Ninja ZX-9R 1997 Kawasaki ZX900B Ninja ZX-9R 1999 Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 2000 Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 2001 Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 2002 Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 2003 Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 2004 Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 2005 Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 2006 Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 2007 Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 2004 Suzuki GSX1300RZ Hayabusa Limited Edition 2005 Suzuki GSX1300RZ Hayabusa Limited Edition 2006 Suzuki GSX1300RZ Hayabusa Limited Edition 2001 Suzuki GSX-R1000 2002 Suzuki GSX-R1000 1993 Suzuki GSX-R1100 1994 Suzuki GSX-R1100 1995 Suzuki GSX-R1100 1996 Suzuki GSX-R1100 1997 Suzuki GSX-R1100 1998 Suzuki GSX-R1100 1996 Suzuki GSX-R750 1997 Suzuki GSX-R750 1998 Suzuki GSX-R750 1999 Suzuki GSX-R750 1998 Suzuki TL1000R 1999 Suzuki TL1000R 2000 Suzuki TL1000R 2001 Suzuki TL1000R 2002 Suzuki TL1000R 2003 Suzuki TL1000R These have a 90mm bolt spacing, the following calipers share the same spacing and may be valid as a swap: SUZUKI Bandit1200, GSX1000R, Hayabusa, GSX750, GSX750 Katana, GSXR750 Slingshot, GSXR1100L, GSXR1100M, GSXR1100N, GSXR1100 Slingshot, GSXR600 (2001 model), GSXR750WR, RF900R, RGV250, RGV250M, TL1000R, TL1000S, Bandit 400 (twin dics model, all years), GSXR750 SRAD (95-99), GSXR600 (96-2000) TRIUMPH Daytona 595, 505, Trophy YAMAHA FZR750R, OW01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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