gsxr renegade Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I dont normally venture into this part of the forum, but was hoping someone could help me out. My younger cousin wants to get into bikes (after a little persuasion from me ) and is now looking for some advice to buy one for himself. Ive seen a few TZR125s on eBay that are in his price range but Ive never owned a 2 stroke so dont know what to look for when buying one! This one seems perfect for him what do you guys think? What should I look out for when/if we go and have a look? Any advice greatly appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenF125 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I'm not really up on 125 prices, but I would think you could get an Aprilia RS125 for that kind of money. Newer with less mileage and probably quicker. But I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morepower Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 They are supposed to be good and the most powerful TZR125. Based on the reversed cylinder 250 chassis too... so a good well handling bike built as an homologation special for Italian 125cc proddy racing. Just make sure it runs OK and doesnt rattle once it has warmed up a bit.. The usual stuff for bodywork and chassis for a bike of that age really.. If you can get it for that much then as long as the motor is OK it would be worth it I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxr renegade Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Brillig. Thanks Chaps. I'm not really up on 125 prices, but I would think you could get an Aprilia RS125 for that kind of money. Newer with less mileage and probably quicker. But I could be wrong. If he doesn’t like the look of the TZR, I’ll point him in the direction of RSs. My thoughts were that the TZRs may have been looked after a bit better, as the RSs seem to be more popular wiv da yoof. They are supposed to be good and the most powerful TZR125. Based on the reversed cylinder 250 chassis too... so a good well handling bike built as an homologation special for Italian 125cc proddy racing. Just make sure it runs OK and doesnt rattle once it has warmed up a bit.. The usual stuff for bodywork and chassis for a bike of that age really.. If you can get it for that much then as long as the motor is OK it would be worth it I think. Cheers, I’m guessing it should be normal for there to be a bit of blue smoke when revved- but as long as there are no nasty noises it should be alright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxr renegade Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Cheers Josh. I don’t think his budget will stretch to a Mito, he’s only got about £900 to spend and after a quick scan on ebay there don’t seem to be many about for that sort of money. Good to know about the motor. I can help him with the maintenance of it so he shouldn’t have too much trouble with whatever bike he gets. I just want it to be something half decent that spends more time on the road than it does in the shed. I only thought of TZRs as my mate used to have one – what other decent/cheap/vaguely sporty 125s are there he could look at apart from Mitos and RSs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_H Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Does it have to be sporty? Of the 2 125's I had, an RS125 first then a DT125, the DT was the god damn best, went to motogp at doni on it with L plates all the way up the A6 from Herts where I used to live, went to court because of it, got pulled over lots, learned to wheelie and stoppie, went off roading in farmers fields, piss easy to work on and cheap as chips to buy bits for. Crash well too Does it have to be sporty? Of the 2 125's I had, an RS125 first then a DT125, the DT was the god damn best, went to motogp at doni on it with L plates all the way up the A6 from Herts where I used to live, went to court because of it, got pulled over lots, learned to wheelie and stoppie, went off roading in farmers fields, piss easy to work on and cheap as chips to buy bits for. Crash well too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxr renegade Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Does it have to be sporty? It’s not an absolute must, but I think he’d like it to look as sporty as possible. Plus trail bikes tend to get pinched quite a lot in the area we live in, so I’m trying to dissuade him from getting one of them. I’m going to have a chat with him tonight to see what he thinks. If he’s not bothered how it looks, I’ll probably suggest a CG125 as, lets face it, he’s going to drop it at some point and there aint a lot to break on a CG!! I’d love him to get a 2 stroke though so that I can ride behind him and get high off the smell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorenzo Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Back to TZR's, I've a suspicion that there's a good bit of difference between the one that Josh had (which I had one of too, good fun times) and the later belgarda ones that's in your advert. The ey difference if I was buying one would be the fact that the belgarda ones are as rare as rocking horse shit and I'd guess 2nd hand parts prices, if not availability, would be pretty tricky. Early shape ones, like Josh's are very plentiful, can be had cheaply, and as Josh says, can put up with as much abuse as any 2 stroke will take. Flip the power valve wide open and you'll be rewarded with the most puny bottom end ever, but the best 'woah, here comes the power' type delivery you could ever hope for from a 125. They are supposed to put out a bit more than 20hp, which is plenty of poke for your average 17 year old around town. Mito's and RS's are perhaps a bit more stylish, and certainly fetch a little bit more, but they're probably the same in terms of parts availability. NSR's and RG's I never see around really so I'd guess parts are a bit trickier than they would be on any of the other 3 bikes, plus they were never as quick as any of the other 3, with respect to their age, if you get what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxr renegade Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Thanks Lorenzo. I’m going to have a chat with him over the weekend to find out what sort of bike he wants to get and how much he’s got to spend etc. and I’ll come up with a few ideas for him. I think the main hurdle will be that he’s a bit dubious about buying a bike off ebay – I’ve told him he’ll be fine as long as he’s careful but if he really doesn’t want to go down the ebay route then I’ll be trawling bike trader. Thanks chaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willbloke Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 The 4DL Belgarda is a rare beast , I know I've got bits of one that I had grand designs of doing a Powervalve special with it . Pretty much everything is different to the earlier Japanese steel frame that Josh had . Bodywork is near unobtainable , carb , pipe and barrel are different , it's electric start no kicker , so the cases are quite different , plastic tank unique to it , I could go on . As Morepower says , they are based on the reverse cylinder 250 TZR (3MA) , but as that's rarer than Unicorn tears I doubt you'll get many bits , thinking about it , the bodywork whilst similar looking , is different . Gorgeous , but not really learner fodder , get an earlier steel frame . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morepower Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 The 4DL Belgarda is a rare beast , I know I've got bits of one that I had grand designs of doing a Powervalve special with it . Pretty much everything is different to the earlier Japanese steel frame that Josh had . Bodywork is near unobtainable , carb , pipe and barrel are different , it's electric start no kicker , so the cases are quite different , plastic tank unique to it , I could go on . As Morepower says , they are based on the reverse cylinder 250 TZR (3MA) , but as that's rarer than Unicorn tears I doubt you'll get many bits , thinking about it , the bodywork whilst similar looking , is different . Gorgeous , but not really learner fodder , get an earlier steel frame . I may know where a set of bodywork and it could be for sale.... OR I could make moulds off it lol... I have given a set of my RS250 body kit parts to a mate who is going to fit it to that bike.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willbloke Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I may know where a set of bodywork and it could be for sale.... OR I could make moulds off it lol... I have given a set of my RS250 body kit parts to a mate who is going to fit it to that bike.. What ? A set of 4DL bodywork ? Hmmm ... How much Mista ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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