Tomfoolery Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 Nice work, Fredie. No background, story, links?
Tomfoolery Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 I had to Google it myself and everything!
hawkati Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 details would now appear to be added for your discerning reading pleasure....
IforB Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 Well, the Sea Sheperd muppets have been on TV for a while on the "Whale Wars" series on Discovery. I'm not a fan of whaling in any way, but these pricks almost make you root for the Japanese. WTF did they think was going to happen? Fucking great steel ice class ship Vs. a carbon fibre sports boat. Hmm, I wonder which one will come off worse? The seamanship shown by the Sea Sheperd crews is nothing short of horrific, they seem about as effective as a chocolate fireguard when it comes to stopping the Japanese from killing whales too. The fact that they were using high powered lasers that can easily blind a person for life classifies them as scumbags in my eyes. Killing whales is wank, but this lot are almost as bad. Tossers.
gurninman Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 I'm not a fan of the whale-killing bastards, but AFAIC the eco-blokeys were at fault for not getting out of the way of a fucking big boat that can't manouevre as quickly as they can The clips posted don't show the full picture - I saw a clip of this the other day which seemed to show the japs on a constant heading.... the batboat was in the way and made no effort to move.Getting hit by an evil Jap whaling vessel is pure gold in terms of publicity.
trident_special Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 When will the Japanese launch Fredie hunting vessels? I can see them now, hunting the south seas launching Casey Stoner cutouts as chum...
toosmooth Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 [off fence mode] If I had a submarine at my disposal the whalers would be catching their haul using their own teeth. Mankind stealing every available bit of life it can plunder for "delicacy" eating deserves a serious rethink. The guys in the speedboat might not be everyones cup of tea, and they may not be doing things the 'right way' - but who else is stopping it? no one. all they've done is tear up the rule book, as the japs have. Seal clubbers, big game hunters, whalers. scum. And as for the footage showing the Japanese ship not changing course....let's see it, cos everything I've seen here looks like a malicious ramming. [/off fence mode]
Simonhi Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 [off fence mode] If I had a submarine at my disposal the whalers would be catching their haul using their own teeth. clipped ... What he said ... They (Sea Shepherd) may not be doing things the right way but who else is trying to stop the whaling ? It is certainly not the Aussie or Kiwi Governments that should be stopping the illegal activities in waters they are responsible for policing. As for the laser pointers they are doing what the Japanese fleet have been doing to the Sea Shepherd's helicopter pilot. Up until they (Japanese whaling fleet) started with the lasers and sirens last year the activists have not used them. Personally, although I eat fish and meat, wera leather shoes, blah blah blah, this type of fishing is soley (no pun intended) for money from delicacy food. It is being banded about as them collecting tissues samples, although they can't say exactly why they are collecting them. It is illegal and nobody else is trying to stop them. I wish the activists luck but feel they need a far bigger outfit if they are going to have any proper effect. Edited cos some days I can't spell Shepherd
toosmooth Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 Do you know how far a single wave hitting the side of one of those big ships can move it? probably not as far as the ship's wheel.
toosmooth Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 Wrong, much further. I assume you ignored the rest of my post as it does not suit your agenda? Its great to jump on the back of a "Trendy" campaign like save the Whales but we can all look much closer to home to find atrocities against nature that we could do something about if we had real interest. Makes me laugh (the forum rage bit not the Whaling which is of course wrong). we can start a forum fight if you like, but I was just sharing my feelings undiluted. It's clear we disagree, I'll continue to do it nicely if you do. But, if you want guns out, go for it. As for "Trendy" - I was banging on about this 20 years ago. It was trendy then too.
TKDMitch Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 I'm not a fan of the whale-killing bastards, but AFAIC the eco-blokeys were at fault for not getting out of the way of a fucking big boat that can't manouevre as quickly as they can The clips posted don't show the full picture - I saw a clip of this the other day which seemed to show the japs on a constant heading.... the batboat was in the way and made no effort to move.Getting hit by an evil Jap whaling vessel is pure gold in terms of publicity. That third video would seem to make it pretty clear that the Japanese boat changes course to ram the stationary batboat. Mitch
IforB Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 [off fence mode] If I had a submarine at my disposal the whalers would be catching their haul using their own teeth. Mankind stealing every available bit of life it can plunder for "delicacy" eating deserves a serious rethink. The guys in the speedboat might not be everyones cup of tea, and they may not be doing things the 'right way' - but who else is stopping it? no one. all they've done is tear up the rule book, as the japs have. Seal clubbers, big game hunters, whalers. scum. And as for the footage showing the Japanese ship not changing course....let's see it, cos everything I've seen here looks like a malicious ramming. [/off fence mode] There is plenty of footage that casts doubt on the claim that the Whalers rammed them directly. Including some that shows the Ady Gil opening up the taps and accelerating forwards directly into the Whaling vessel. Whaling is distasteful, but it isn't fundamentally different from killing any other animal for food. The whales they go after aren't on the endangered list. I find whaling morally reprehensible, though not as bad as seal clubbing. I have no issue with what the Sea Sheperd mob are trying to achieve and I applaud their efforts, but they are utterly ineffectual and their current tactics do lend credence to the idea that they are nothing more than an ill-disciplined rabble. If they truly wanted to stop it, then why don't they buy up a couple of ex-Russian destroyers and some sea skimmers and blow the whalers out of the water? What I find odd is the idea that they are happy to put other humans lives in danger in order to save the life of another animal. The whalers aren't evil, they are people doing a job. There are far better ways of killing off the whale meat trade than by this sort of stupid action. I was in Iceland a few years ago in a traditional restaurant that served "delicacies" like puffin, seal, shark and whale. I got talking to a chap who owned much of the Icelandic whaling fleet and I asked him if they still went out hunting for "research". He laughed and told me that the Icelandic fleet has been mothballed as the Icelanders have no appetite for whale anymore. Most younger Icelanders have the same view as you or I when it comes to whale meat. They won't touch it, so there is no need to hunt whales anymore. That is how to kill off the whale trade. When there is money to be made from it, it will continue no matter what this bunch do. I suppose they keep the trade in the public eye and that is good, but that's the only benefit I can see for their actions.
deltabadhand Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 [off fence mode] If I had a submarine at my disposal the whalers would be catching their haul using their own teeth. Mankind stealing every available bit of life it can plunder for "delicacy" eating deserves a serious rethink. The guys in the speedboat might not be everyones cup of tea, and they may not be doing things the 'right way' - but who else is stopping it? no one. all they've done is tear up the rule book, as the japs have. Seal clubbers, big game hunters, whalers. scum. And as for the footage showing the Japanese ship not changing course....let's see it, cos everything I've seen here looks like a malicious ramming. [/off fence mode] Are you vegan? I'm not and therefore can't say that my eating a cow is in any way better or worse than eating a whale. I don't fall for the over sensationalized anthromorphism that makes some people believe whales are fat humans with flippers but I think the way in which the Japanese are underhanded about harvesting a food source in the supposed name of "research" is underhanded. The number of Minke whales the Japs harvest are fairly inconsequential and there are actually even marine biologists that say that the large Minke population is one of the reasons the larger whales have not rebounded to a greater degree as the more plentiful and quicker multiplying whales out-compete them for the same food source. Paul Watson and crew are nothing but attention whores and I think the South Park episode got the nail right on the head.As far as this incident goes,I refuse to believe that a boat trailing a fouling line with every intent to disable another vessel could possibly be considered a victim.If they decide to use the language of warfare and sell shirts listing the vessels they have rammed or sunk then they are willingly placing themselves in the position of combatant.Not only have they repeatedly shown the most egregious of seamanship and general incompetence at operating vessels but they chose to willingly place themselves and their craft in harms way so I simply can't see them as victims.
toosmooth Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 Would me being Vegan somehow change something here?
fontyyy Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 I'm not and therefore can't say that my eating a cow is in any way better or worse than eating a whale. That would be true if the cow was listed as an endangered species and if it's hunting for commercial purposes and trading in them over international boarders were both banned in international law.
toosmooth Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 No, but I tell you what would make for a more constructive debate. Not just picking on one point out of the 20 odd that someone is making and only "answering" that with another question You are not in politics are you? I'm sorry, I was trying to find out what difference it made if I was a Vegan before I joined the debate any more. It's all gone a bit too pear shaped for me this debate, so I'm off to make some hummus and contemplate saving up for a submarine.
driverchris Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 That would be true if the cow was listed as an endangered species and if it's hunting for commercial purposes and trading in them over international boarders were both banned in international law. I'm pretty sure hunting cows is illegal. Or definitely frowned upon. Not very sporting old bean.
IforB Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 Would me being Vegan somehow change something here? Not to me, but I can see the argument that equates eating any kind of meat as being the same as anyother. Morally, I'd rather eat a free-range whale than a battery farmed pig or chicken. At least it has lived a decent life before its death. Killing something as intelligent and as rare as a whale does make me feel very unhappy. I'm perfectly happy to go off shooting and then eat what I've killed. I don't understand people who hunt or shoot anything just for the "fun" of it, that's just wierd. So I'm a bit of a confused individual really! I eat meat, but I do care about animal welfare and wouldn't want any animal to suffer just because it makes someone a bit more money. I don't see whaling as "cruel" though. It seems about as efficient as any form of hunting wild animals can be and so I don;t see much wrong with it, other than the fact that whales are fairly rare. However, what the Japanese are doing is against international convention and as such it shouldn't be allowed. The moral rights and wrongs aren't really relevant. The Japanese are using a loophole and there should be proper international pressure put on them to stop, it shouldn't be down to a bunch of loonies.
David W Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 I don't think it's a deliberate ram at all, and I think the anti-Whalers were looking for it. I might be wrong but I think if you're piloting something as big as a ship and you're trying to avoid a smaller boat you should actually turn towards the smaller boats stern because you've got more chance of avoiding. If you try to turn away from it, the momentum of both boats means you'll probably hit each other.
monty_zac Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 I'm not and therefore can't say that my eating a cow is in any way better or worse than eating a whale. I don't fall for the over sensationalized anthromorphism that makes some people believe whales are fat humans with flippers Wonder what they taste like, anybody know? Should have asked Tankui to bring me some back. Don't think they sell it at my Chippy, however I thinjk they do sell fat humans, battered.
Versatile Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 The whaler turned towards the speed boat, that is obvious but it didn't turn onto a collision course. The speed boat goes into forward gear just as they start getting soaked. You can see the gentle turbulence in the water astern of the speed boat. The speed boat caused the accident. I don't think whaling is right but that's not the issue with this video.
rureadyboots Posted January 13, 2010 Report Posted January 13, 2010 I'm pretty sure hunting cows is illegal. Or definitely frowned upon. Not very sporting old bean. But would nt it be fun! If not very difficult. Wheres my shotgun
trumpetman21 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Posted January 14, 2010 Where do they get the sort of money needed to buy that funky batboat?
norfolknchance Posted January 14, 2010 Report Posted January 14, 2010 Where do they get the sort of money needed to buy that funky batboat? +1 Must go like shit of the proverbial shovel
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